Press Release: Nearly £1million in lost deposits


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Nearly £1million in lost deposits

The General Election saw nearly £1 million in lost deposits from candidates achieving less than 5% of the vote. The biggest losers were the small parties, with UKIP losing 458 deposits, costing them £229,000.

The Green party was hit by a £164,000 loss, 265 lost deposits cost the BNP £132,500 and the English Democrats were out of pocket by £53,000.

In contrast, the Conservatives lost just two deposits, Labour five and the Liberal Democrats didn’t lose any.

“I think that we really need to examine what the purpose of the deposit is” claimed Anthony Butcher, campaigner for the Regional Top-Up electoral system. “At the moment, it is only acting as a hefty tax on small parties. The big parties with their huge election funds effectively pay nothing, while the smaller parties are forced to spend a large percentage of their income simply to offer the public an alternative. It’s time to reduce the threshold to 1% in the interests of reviving our democracy.

“If the new Conservative and Lib Dem Government is serious about electoral reform, then why not switch to a system like Regional Top-Up that allows the electorate to vote for a party even if there is no local candidate. This will not only reduce the number of low quality paper candidates and allow everyone across the country to vote for their preferred party, but will also reduce the bill for lost deposits.”

ENDS

Notes to Editors:

Regional Top-Up combines First-Past-The-Post with a top-up mechanism to create a proportional, locally based and extremely simple electoral system. It improves upon the Additional Member System used for the London Assembly and Welsh Assembly elections.

Website: http://www.regionaltopup.co.uk

Deposits lost for each party:

UK Independence Party: 458
Green: 328
Independent: 313
British National Party: 265
English Democrats: 106
Christian Party: 71
Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition: 38
Monster Raving Loony Party: 27
Socialist Labour Party: 23
Christian Peoples Alliance: 17
National Front:: 17
Alliance Party : 10
Scottish Socialist Party: 10
Plaid Cymru: 10
Pirate Party UK: 9
Respect-Unity Coalition: 8

Other small parties: 177

Total: 1887 (£943,500)

For more information please contact:

Anthony Butcher
email: ***************
phone: **********

  1. #1 by Denzil on May 13th, 2010

    Er, you’re missing the point mate – there are too many people wasting time and money already on hopeless, attention-seeking platforms. There is no ‘alternative’ being offered to the public if these jokers can’t find a platform that chimes with the wider public. Instead, deposits should be increased – a tax on the deluded, the stupid and the vain.

  2. #2 by Anthony Butcher on May 13th, 2010

    Far from being jokers, these small parties command a very substantial percentage of the vote. That percentage would be even higher under a PR system, as demonstrated by UKIP coming second last year, beating both Labour and the Liberal Democrats in a national election.

    The only reason that they are losing their deposits rather than winning MPs is that their support is geographically spread out. If it was all focused in 10-20 constituencies, all of the smaller parties would have 10-20 MPs.

    As for ‘attention seeking platforms’, yes there are some, but don’t confuse that with the real alternative viewpoints offered by these smaller parties, especially in an era where the big three are increasingly looking and sounding the same. In fact, they are so close on policy in so many areas now, that the Lib Dems and Conservatives feel comfortable governing in coalition. We may soon be dependent upon the smaller parties to offer any kind of opposition to things like ‘green’ taxes.

  3. #3 by Denzil on May 13th, 2010

    Exactly – the only legitimacy you can offer is to fringe parties that come alive if we abandon FPTP. They are hardly a ‘substantial percentage’ of the vote and are the very ones whose delusions we would encourage if the deposit requirement was lowered. UKIP, the Greens and the BNP are the only coherent ‘alternative viewpoints’ and I’m afraid that each conforms to my portrait – deluded, stupid and vain.

    As for ‘so close on policy’ etc, there really is only one debate when it comes to electing a government – do you focus on making the cake bigger or on how it should be divided between competing claims. Any alternative viewpoint is either dangerous (BNP, Green), deluded (UKIP) or pointless (Lib Dems until the electoral system provides them with a spanner to shove into the works).

  4. #4 by Anthony Butcher on May 13th, 2010

    It sounds very much like you are saying that the smaller parties shouldn’t have MPs just because you don’t like them. As a democrat, I really can’t agree with that viewpoint. I believe that if a party gains the votes, they deserve the representation. More importantly, the voters deserve the representation. The fact that over 900,000 people voted for UKIP but they still don’t have an MP is an absolute scandal.

    You call them ‘fringe’ parties, but that is only the case because they don’t have the MPs that their votes support. Under a PR system, their votes would be somewhat higher too.

    If the Tories and Labour are incapable of securing 100% of the vote between them then they don’t deserve 100% of the MPs. The age of two party politics is over and the public want more choice.

    At the moment the Tories and Labour combined command just 65.1% of the popular vote, but have 86.9% of the MPs. That can’t be right.

  5. #5 by libertarian on May 13th, 2010

    This is more deck chair fiddling.

    The only true democracy is a straight vote to elect the PM/Exec directly. Then electing constituency representatives will be a minor activity.

  6. #6 by Anthony Butcher on May 13th, 2010

    That would be a radical shift in the way the British parliamentary system works. We are having a hard enough time convincing the establishment that PR is both viable and desirable; the odds of us having an elected President in Britain in the foreseeable future are slim to none. I have seen very little support for the idea at the moment, but certainly the fact that Brown was an unelected Prime Minister highlighted the inadequacies of the existing system.

    We would still need a fair system to elect the MPs even with an elected President, so the need to find the best possible system remains.

  7. #7 by Susan on May 13th, 2010

    Why are paper candidates low quality?

  8. #8 by Anthony Butcher on May 13th, 2010

    Paper candidates are generally used by smaller parties to make up the numbers in the absence of a proper candidate for the area. They don’t campaign, they don’t attend hustings and they don’t have any chance of being elected. Generally speaking these people are selected as candidates unopposed because they are the only people willing to put their names forward. Hence they are often of very low quality because no one actually expects anything from them.

  9. #9 by Alex Flamson on May 14th, 2010

    I assume from their absence that the SNP and Northern Irish parties retained all their deposits?

  10. #10 by Susan on May 14th, 2010

    Anthony – I probably could have been considered to be a paper candidate but I did campaign, I did turn up to hustings and I did achieve nearly 8k in votes and move the party into second place…. I am not low quality!

  11. #11 by Anthony Butcher on May 14th, 2010

    Here is the complete list. I cut it down because there are so many different parties:

    UK Independence Party 458
    Green 328
    Independent 313
    British National Party 265
    English Democrats 106
    Christian Party 71
    Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition 38
    Monster Raving Loony Party 27
    Socialist Labour Party 23
    Christian Peoples Alliance 17
    National Front 17
    Alliance Party 10
    Scottish Socialist Party 10
    Plaid Cymru 10
    Pirate Party UK 9
    Respect-Unity Coalition 8
    Workers Revolutionary Party 7
    Mebyon Kernow 6
    Alliance for Green Socialism 6
    Communist Party of Britain 6
    Labour 5
    Sinn Fein 4
    Independents Federation UK 4
    Socialist Alternative 4
    Citizens for Undead Rights and Equality 4
    Animal Protection Party, The 4
    Liberal Party 3
    The Peace Party 3
    Magna Carta Party (The) 3
    Impact Party 3
    Your Right To Democracy Party Limited 3
    Communist League 2
    Social Democratic & Labour Party 2
    Conservative 2
    Ulster Conservatives and Unionists – New Force 2
    Best of a Bad Bunch 2
    Trust 2
    Lincolnshire Independents 2
    Scottish Jacobite Party [The] 2
    Socialist Equality 2
    Solihull and Meriden Residents Association 2
    You Party 2
    Christian Movement for Great Britain 2
    Traditional Unionist Voice 2
    Justice & Anti-Corruption Party [The] 2
    Social Democratic Party 2
    Scrap Members Allowances 2
    Democratic Nationalists 2
    Libertarian 2
    Equal Parenting Alliance 2
    Common Sense Party 2
    Youth Party [The] 1
    Middle England Party 1
    Virtue Currency Cognitive Appraisal Party 1
    Alliance for Workers’ Liberty 1
    Animals Count 1
    Reform 2000 Party 1
    New Millennium Bean Party 1
    Independent Leave-the-EU Alliance 1
    Fight for an Anti-War Government 1
    Get Snouts Out The Trough 1
    Bus-Pass Elvis Party 1
    Better Britain Party, The 1
    Campaign for Independent Politicians 1
    Money Reform Party 1
    Land is power 1
    Radical Reform Group 1
    Cornish Democrats 1
    Clause 28, Children’s Protection Christian Democrats 1
    United Voice 1
    No Candidate Deserves My Vote! 1
    Reduce Tax On Beer 1
    Unity For Peace And Socialism 1
    Medway Independent Party 1
    English Independence Party 1
    City Independents 1
    New Independent Conservative Chelsea and Fulham 1
    Lewisham People Before Profit 1
    Local Liberals People Before Politics Party 1
    Staffordshire Independent Group 1
    Blue Environment Party 1
    Bushra Irfan of Blackburn 1
    People’s National Democratic Party 1
    The New Party 1
    Tendring First 1
    Freedom and Responsibility 1
    Matriarchal Party United Kingdom Great Britain 1
    True English (Poetry) Party [The] 1
    Peoples Party Essex 1
    Integrity UK 1
    Independent People Together 1
    Socialist Party of Great Britain 1
    Nationwide Reform Party 1
    Direct Democracy (Communist) Party 1
    Anticapitalists – Workers Power 1
    Apolitical Democrats 1
    Independent Voice for Halifax 1
    Democratic Labour Party 1
    Justice Party 1
    Science Party [The] 1
    Wessex Regionalists 1
    Fancy Dress Party 1
    Northampton – Save Our Public Services 1
    Tamsin Omond To The Commons 1
    Common Good 1
    Humanity 1
    Independents to Save Queen Mary’s Hospital 1
    Independent English Delegate 1
    Restoration Party 1
    Brent North Needs an Independent MP 1
    Basingstoke Common Man 1
    Movement for Active Democracy 1
    All The South Party 1
    Independent Ealing Acton Communities Public Services 1
    Nobody Party 1
    Bromsgrove Independent Conservative 1
    Save King George Hospital 1
    Hugh Salmon for Battersea Party 1
    National Democrats 1
    Islam Zinda Baad Platform 1
    Cut The Deficit Party 1
    Joy of Talk [The] 1
    A Vote Against MP Expense Abuse 1

  12. #12 by Anthony Butcher on May 14th, 2010

    Susan :

    Anthony – I probably could have been considered to be a paper candidate but I did campaign, I did turn up to hustings and I did achieve nearly 8k in votes and move the party into second place…. I am not low quality!

    Er.. you sound like a normal candidate to me! :-) Turning up to hustings and campaigning pretty much disqualifies you from being a paper candidate.

  13. #13 by Daniel Edward on May 17th, 2010

    Anthony Butcher :Far from being jokers, these small parties command a very substantial percentage of the vote. That percentage would be even higher under a PR system, as demonstrated by UKIP coming second last year, beating both Labour and the Liberal Democrats in a national election.

    I’d just like to point out that the percentage wouldn’t be any higher under a PR system, they would simply convert more proportionally into seats. Changing the system doesn’t mean changing the votes!

  14. #14 by Anthony Butcher on May 17th, 2010

    It wouldn’t directly change the votes, no, but voting patterns would change significantly.

    Firstly, many constituencies only have a limited choice. My constituency, for example, only had candidates from the big three parties and UKIP. Had I wanted to vote for the Greens or the English Democrats I couldn’t at the moment. Hence the national percentage of the vote is limited by the number of candidates standing and many people never get to vote for their favoured party. Because Regional Top-Up allows us to vote for a party even without a local candidate we would have had a much greater range of options.

    On top of that, the FPTP system encourages tactical voting because of the two-horse-race issue. Only the Lib Dems had any chance of challenging the Tories here, and I know at least one Labour supporter who switched his vote to the Lib Dems. Tactical voting happens up and down the country on a large scale. Under RTU or other PR systems, there would be no need for that because all of the votes are counted either locally or regionally. Hence people would be much more likely to vote for their party of choice.

    There are also substantial numbers of people who won’t vote because they don’t feel that their vote counts. Is there any point in walking to a polling station if your favoured party has no chance of being elected? If every vote counted, turn-out would increase slightly too, also altering the voting numbers for the smaller parties.

    We may also see an opposing effect of people being less likely to vote for the smaller parties as a protest vote. For example, it is believed that many people vote BNP to make a point about immigration levels. It is pretty safe to vote for small parties in the knowledge that it will make no difference at the moment. However, if it looked likely that they might actually be elected, some of those people might switch their votes to a party they considered more suited to Government.

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